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I agree, and it seems concerning to me too, but it's something that can be worked on in tandem with making a tulpa. You matter just as much as your tulpa, and sharing a mind with them means that however you feel will influence them for better or worse. You feel shame? They'll feel it, too. It won't ruin the progress you're making, since you seem to care deeply about making your mind and body as healthy as possible for your new brain-friend, but you cannot expect to sacrifice everything for them and remain healthy yourself. Any relationship is about balancing your needs and theirs, and I think you'd benefit a lot from taking a step back and re-evaluating how much energy you're putting into your tulpa versus you. Again, not a deal-breaker, I think you can still go ahead and make one, but be mindful of what Kittykatty and I have brought up.

o have no power to stop you, but feel free to say it to prove my point to atlas lok

Me being the one in control is exactly what scares me.

lol

10:54 PM

yeah that’s what i thought

10:54 PM

so what do you think is in co trol if you aren’t in control?

You cannot allow your fear to control you so strongly. It's easier said than done, but it is incredibly liberating once you actually reach the point where you don't feel as afraid.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

so what do you think is in co trol if you aren’t in control?

I like to feel that nothing is in control, everone is equal in my eyes. Body or no body my tulpa is my equal and I don't like being in control of it.

Well, you can let it deviate, then, and front equal times once they're developed

what made you being scared of control? Don’t have to say it, just aknowledge it

Once your tulpa can speak, I believe that this fear will be easier for you to manage. If your tulpa feels hindered by you, they'll tell you. Communication and whatnot.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

what made you being scared of control? Don’t have to say it, just aknowledge it

Going back to who I was before.

anyway i wouldn’t say to stop tulpamancy but at least co sider to pause it until you sort those things out in other ways

Atlas || M&M

Once your tulpa can speak, I believe that this fear will be easier for you to manage. If your tulpa feels hindered by you, they'll tell you. Communication and whatnot.

That's exactly what I hope.

Trust me, most tulpas are forgiving. Even if you do accidentally come down heavy-handed on them, then you can always talk about it maturely and reach a joint solution.

understanding you are in control is crucial for stability and healthy functioning

Mhm, I agree fully.

When Im not able to communicate it's hard to know if I screwed up lol

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

understanding you are in control is crucial for stability and healthy functioning

Well, I don't like being in control, but if it's what it takes for both of us to be healthy, I'll try my best.

don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t mean you are a controlfreak or control everything - it’s just a safety valve. You can say „no” at any point

franco if you manage to build contact with your tulpa could i talk to her privately?

Uhm I don't know how talking privately would work, but I guess when I have a deeper understanding, and I am alone in my house to be able to give control you could.

You can always proxy for her.

But would that be private talk?

Sure, it won't be 100% private, but not a lot of things are in tulpamancy.

11:04 PM

Even if she switched with you, and spoke to Leiko privately, you still have access to her memories of the conversation.

oh you can be with her i meant outside of the server

Ah, sure then!

11:05 PM

I misunderstood lol

i actually would like you to know what the conversation is about

Okay, I wouldn't mind either way.

11:06 PM

I have to go eat, I'll come back later, if you have anything to say to me say it anyways, I'll scroll up and read it ^-^

i would just like to help her be the best friend for you possible and that would need a conversation I wouldn’t mind it in public but it’s for your comfort

Ah alright, I'll DM you when she is able to communicate

ok!

Good luck, both of you.

~Moonlight~

When Im not able to communicate it's hard to know if I screwed up lol

It's pretty hard to 'screw up' in the process tmk Like, it's mostly about intentions

I need to work on our mental health too, come to think of it. Good reminder to focus on that.

I need to work on my mental health too

I've been getting better as the years go on, at least, in terms of maturity.

11:10 PM

My actual mental health conditions have gotten worse, though.

Same

Umm would the pendulum method work if my finger is always shaking?

10:50 PM

I'm naturally very nervous, I can never fully stop my movement

I think so? Maybe @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk would know better though

I guess I'll have to try it to see

Likely yes, you might just have to discars a little noise sometimes

5:00 AM

Try it anyway

Just wanted to note that after a month I was created, I was sneaking with my host in a dream and I stole a room as my wonderland

tup is better at beat saber than me happytears

4:50 PM

sharing muscle memory helps though lol

4:50 PM

im stiff as a plank and she just danced away

Lucilyn: lol, we can actually say something similar (edited)

i found it super easy to let go when she played

Lucilyn: years ago when we played Osu, Reisen was better at keeping a full combo in really long songs than Lumi presumably just because she is much calmer (edited)

4:52 PM

though me and Lumi were still the ones that liked playing super hard fast stuff

4:52 PM

but yeah general baseline skill is ofc shared

helps that shes super into the game unlike me lol

wow congratulations

”tulpa is a thinking process in the mind seperate and independent from yours that you can communicate and build a relationship with” would probably be a much better way of introducing tulpamancy to someone than “tulpa is a conscious sentient being, another person in your head, a lifetime commitment for a relationship” It would also accomodate people that don’t agree it’s a seperate consciousness and would reduce the emount of pretending to know the nature of the phenomena

"its a voice in your head and dont be an asshole to it" is what i'd say

4:44 PM

makes it much harder to overthink it

4:46 PM

i personally dont see it any different from my own voice when you dig deep enough, and i think that is what makes tulpae very special but very mundane at the same time, since both are just an illusion (edited)

4:48 PM

those illusions are useful though since if it wasnt there one would just sit still like a veggie with no desires, opinions or memories

voice in your head has enough stigma

"thinking process" seems a bit vague

just to clarify: it would be first step to explain it to someone, with more to come as they get interested

4:55 PM

without them thinking of putting you in an asylum

4:58 PM

so vagueness is on purpose, to not scare off someone

4:58 PM

personhood and values you assign to them is by choice anyway

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

personhood and values you assign to them is by choice anyway

I think a tulpa would require those by definition though

hope you can read what i said again

5:03 PM

it’s for introducing it to someone to minimise the risk of pushing someone away

Yeah, i know what you meant

5:03 PM

Im just bored

5:04 PM

I agree with you

5:04 PM

Why did you bring that topic from nowhere though?

i met an ai researcher who’s very interested in mind, we talked quite a lot and tulpa concept was something that was relating to what we were talking about, but tbh the way that community is talking about it would woukd be inappropriate in the conversation in my opinion So i thought how i would introduce it to him

5:05 PM

i also met founder and ceo of stability ai (stable diffusion)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

i also met founder and ceo of stability ai (stable diffusion)

Hows he doing with the lawsuits? lol

well he has same argument that i was saying

5:13 PM

he used the same wording as i did when jt first came up lol…

5:15 PM

people were reeing about it and saying it steals oictures, i was saying that if it is stealing images it would be the best compression algorithm ever and he would do better than pied pioer in sillicon valley, he said the same thing including pied piper lol. But also said he would be a trillionaire

5:15 PM

we talked about what they are working on

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

we talked about what they are working on

Dont tease me with stuff you cant tell me!

Do you think ai can create ai tulpas?

Well that's not a brain, so a "tulpa" would just be like... a sub-task

FlareonOFun

Do you think ai can create ai tulpas?

You can consider large language models to be extremely plural in a way. Thell have whatever personality you make them "believe" they have.

Our current AI? Absolutely not. They probably don't even have anything resembling a sense of self like we do. Future AI? I feel like they almost certainly will, but that's assuming they ever reach a point that they are ever close to similar to human beings. Once they are however, they'll probably have the same works and oddities, at least in one form or another, that humans do, so you're probably going to see some system of self-identification and you're going to see some ability to play with that system like we do when we make tulpas. (edited)

the way i see ai thinking and being conscious is this: a bird flies, and a fighterjet flies. You can day they both “fly”, even though differently. same function, one was inspired by another, but how the “flight” process happens is different, and they are on completey different classes when it comes to efficiency

10:37 AM

when it comes to superintelligence, we won’t be able to comprehend how it works. we will be birds looking at a fighter jet, thinking it’s another bird but bigger, trying to understand how it works

Does the current ai learn and grow when people use it personally or is it fixed?

Lucilyn: There's lots of different AIs so that answer varies (edited)

3:37 PM

Please stay on the topic of tulpas in this channel, though

I was wondering if someone typed "Create a tulpa" to an ai, would the ai's change accordingly

Lucilyn: You can already tell AI to reply with a totally different personality or such (edited)

3:40 PM

They're not real functioning brains though so there's no meaning behind them "having a tulpa"

3:41 PM

(yet)

Does the current ai learn and grow when people use it personally or is it fixed?

@FlareonOFun - jump it’s not channel for this but you can see advanced models as exploration of space of possibilities of personalities. The exploration is fluid so you can explore other parts of it via communication, having drastic changes in personality The way chatbots are made nowadays actually makes it harder for a personality to be consistent

finding it easier to really fall back when tup's playing beat saber

(edited)